and the destruction of the united states. they believe that its existence is an affront and runs counter to islamic values. >> that's why these local jihads cannot be allowed, cannot be ignored. we should learn this lesson from what happened after the soviets left afghanistan, turn mood a calderon of infighting where we thought well let's leave it to them to work it out it was a mistake. and it came back to haunt us on 9/11, 11 years ago. >> rose: go ahead. >> we still think bobby that we can return afghanistan to what it was in the 70s and 80s that the u.s. can withdraw and go home and forget about it that is really the basis of the strategy today. >> that is a delusion. >> rose: thank you so much. it is always good to you have wherever i am, thank you. >> thank you, charlie. >> rose: bobby ghosh, the agents of outrage, an embassy attack, diplomats murdered, the new calculus of violence against america. here is the last paragraph. the new normal isn't as perilous as in pakistan but as the dem october cease of the middle east